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Aug. 4th, 2007 | 06:05 am
location: home
mood: irateirate
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Apparently there is another assault on fandom, HP fandom in particular, by LJ management. And a number of users are venting, as well they should.

But, looking at things in a calmer light, it is becoming obvious that the corporate entity that is LJ is obviously under some sort of pressure.

muselolita very aptly pointed out that it's necessary have a disclaimer about not making money from copyrighted material. Likewise, I always work in a disclaimer about something being 'adult fiction' and that I 'do not endorse or promote' whatever may be occurring in the fic.

I also took a look at the HP/SS painting that apparently set off the most recent witch hunt. While not my particular cup of tea as a subject, the painting itself is technically very proficient and the subject matter, while again, not my particular thing, as long as it was clearly noted in the Warnings or Disclaimer is no more shocking or offensive than what is found all over the internet.

The so-called Miller Test mentions 'community standards.' The argument, as always, is just WHO or WHAT is the community and WHO within the community sets the standards. As a corporate entity, LJ has certain responsibilities under the law. Being a recently retired Fed, I know the sort of pressure Uncle Sam can exert on corporations should they choose to do so.

There is also the issue of 'child' porn. Under the law, a child is anyone under 18, at least in the USA. I would think a disclaimer that all 'actors' or 'participants' are of age, as is always stated at your 'real' porn sites, might help deflect some of the problems associated with this particular issue. Now, of course, this spoils the 'canon' effect of stories taking place at Hogwarts, but all true HP fans know how old the participants are.

And the flight to GJ and IJ really isn't going to solve anything. Surely you don't think that LJ management isn't going to inform their counterparts at the other sites that there are 'x' number of irate fanfic fans coming to their sites to post their stories and pictures? Eventually, whatever forces are driving LJ are going to manifest themselves on the other sites.

Besides, I've barely started to learn my way around LJ. I don't want to have to learn to navigate another site unless absolutely necessary.

This isn't to say just give in to censorship. By all means, keep pushing the envelope. I intend to.

Just thought I'd let people know my thoughts on this recent brouhaha. There are always going to busybodies and, yes, regular flat-out assholes, whose mission in life is to act as a 'community conscience' and spoil things for everyone else. Life's a bitch, but then everyone knows that, right?

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Maple

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from: maple_mahogany
date: Aug. 4th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
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LJ absolutely has a right to ban and delete what they want. They are a private business.

But they have posted, violated, posted new and then violated their own TOS. They aren't playing by the very rules they laid out. That's where my complaint is.

I don't do underage stuff, so I have no personal qualm. But what was deleted was not obviously underage. And they did not follow their own rules about how they would handle what they perceive to be violations of the TOS. By their interpretations of that art being in violation there are any number of artists, like Cork, Mudblood, whose adult art could be suddenly banned because someone, somewhere, decides the characters look underage. Not just the kinky, slashy, Snarry stuff, but there's plenty of Harry/Ginny that could be underage.

They just aren't laying out clear terms and sticking to them.

And the flight to GJ and IJ really isn't going to solve anything. Surely you don't think that LJ management isn't going to inform their counterparts at the other sites that there are 'x' number of irate fanfic fans coming to their sites to post their stories and pictures?


GJ and IJ are owned by completely different people than LJ. They are competition of LJ. And you are right, they absolutely could decide to follow in LJ's example and make policies against adult material, but I think its just practical to a. back your stuff up so that if LJ deletes it, it's not just gone, and b. to give people another way of communicating if any of us gets deleted.

I agree with a good bit of what you say here, but I also feel like I'm being poked for being irrational. I just see it as being practical.

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pettybureaucrat

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from: pettybureaucrat
date: Aug. 4th, 2007 09:08 pm (UTC)
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I didn't mean anything personal, I assure you. I was merely venting. GJ and IJ may be different companies, but they'll be subject to all the same pressures and regs that LJ is as a corporate entity.

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Maple

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from: maple_mahogany
date: Aug. 4th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC)
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:)

They certainly may.

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pettybureaucrat

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from: pettybureaucrat
date: Aug. 4th, 2007 09:13 pm (UTC)
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Of course the government's out to get you. They're after everyone! Don't worry about it.

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